A Rant About Alex Ferguson: Why His Recent Comments are Utter Drivel
23 Jul
It’s started. The new season is creeping nearer and nearer, and like snowdrops on verges signalling the start of spring, Alex Ferguson’s mind games have begun, and August will soon be upon us. Add to the mix reports from his few remaining sycophants of him “looking fresh, and ready for new challenges”, and we’re good to go.
But this time, something is different. This time, he has, to put it in as mild terms as possible, urinated on his own doorstep, and it has not gone down so well. It’s not the first time he has done it, but the response has been vociferous.
But first, to the drivel spouted about Manchester City, and United’s “history”. We’re used to this drivel by now, not just from him but many a manager, but the stuff Ferguson spouted this weekend at a press conference was on a new level, so ridiculous that it was impossible to get worked up. The result, as it turned out, was laughter and sarcasm aplenty.
“If you look at the team I could play under 23. You could play De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Cleverley, Powell, Chicharito, Lingard, Welbeck, Kagawa.”
Of course any team could play a team of youngsters, but never would (in the league), just as Ferguson will never play the line-up listed above.
“You see, the difference between Manchester United and the rest is that we can play 18 year-olds if they are good enough, because it is part of our history. It seems to be a sort of destiny for us that when a young player emerges, play him. It’s never failed us.”
Staggering stuff. United are the only team that put emerging players into the first team, and those players are always an unparalleled success. They are the only team that play youngsters that are good enough. But then there’s no point other teams trying out this novel approach, as they don’t have United’s history, or destiny on their side. Of course, this moral crusade seemed to evade them when breaking transfer records for the likes of Juan Sebastian Veron, Andy Cole or Roy Keane.
And as football365.com pointed out, last season United gave a total of nine substitute appearances in the league to 18-year-olds, while Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs made 42 appearances between them. Such a reliance on youth that Paul Pogba and Zeki Fryers left the club to find football elsewhere.
“There’s not many clubs can do that. City won’t do it. They definitely won’t play any young players. All the buys are 25, 26, 27-year-old players, good maturity, right type of age. But they don’t play any young players.”
Historically, Premier League clubs have never bought the finished article, a world star. Times may be a changing, but if you look into the archives you won’t see many players at the top of their game coming to the Premiership. Many became stars of course, but they arrived as potential most of the time.
But in Ferguson’s world, it is United that are the trailblazers. Only they bring through youth. Not Arsenal, who have never played youngsters, and definitely not City, who brought through a whole raft of youngsters under Jim Cassell’s guidance. No doubt they are the chief exponents of tika-taka football too, and total football was Mike Phelan’s baby, whilst Martin Edwards was the first chairman to provide players with shin pads.
Of course with City’s old academy, the quality was not enough for the current owners’ ambition, hence the development of what is planned to be one of the best academies in the world, so that City can bring youth through, with the intention of local talent shining through too. But remember, only United do this. Ferguson said so.
United had one unprecedented batch of young talent come through with the emergence of Giggs, Scholes, Beckham etc, and have lived off that since as proof that they utilise youth more than anyone. Of course youth players have progressed since, as they have at every club. It’s a grey area over whether teams have developed players that they bought young. United can’t be said to have discovered Phil Jones (Blackburn Rovers), De Gea (Atletico Madrid) or Smalling (Maidstone, Fulham), as they were well known when bought. So what if they are young? In the same way, City made Joe Hart the player he is, but Shrewsbury Town will want a say in that particular debate, just as Oldham would when discussing Micah Richards. Not that City bring youth through of course. Most of United’s youth prospects have not “emerged” at United, but developed elsewhere on loan. That’s fine, but let’s not re-write history to show them breaking straight into United’s first team, as part of some magical process guided by fate.
The lie continues with comments on how City buy 25-27 year olds. Like Sergio Aguero, up for Young Player of the Year last season. Or Mario Balotelli. United don’t buy established players of course – let’s ignore that they tried to sign Samir Nasri last season. Or that they were after Eden Hazard just like City. Or wanted Wesley Sneijder. Nope, United do it the right way. Well, apart from going for Robin Van Persie of course. Or snatching Dimitar Berbatov from under City’s noses by whisking him away from Manchester airport. And we can overlook Ferguson bringing a 37 year old out of retirement, then giving him a new contract along with Ryan Giggs. It’s probably best to ignore too the fact that of the two teams contesting the Manchester Derby on 30th April 2012, United’s starting line-up had a higher average age (by two years at that).
Piffling details.
“What we’re finding is that the climate of buying these top players is that it’s not just the transfer fee; the salary and the agents fees are getting ridiculous now. I mean Hazard, Chelsea paid the agent £6m. Nasri’s agents were the same.”
Of course, when United could outspend every other team, this was less of a problem for Ferguson. Now that money is harder to come by, there is suddenly “no value in the market”. In fact his comments are even stranger considering that only recently he allowed Bebe’s agent to pocket £2.89m for the player’s move to Old Trafford. Oh for the good old days of using his son as an agent instead, though the BBC might disagree about that. Ferguson’s basic claims about agents are sound, but this is the world we live in now – he should stop using agents to cover up the cracks.
The truth is they often buy young because of the restraints of the Glazer regime, the regime Ferguson is so keen to defend, and it’s these comments that have caused the upset.
“I don’t have any complaints. They’ve always been as helpful as they can in terms of financing the team…the majority of real fans will look at it in a more realistic way and say ‘Look, it’s not affected the team, we’ve won four championships since they’ve been here; we’ve won the European Cup’.”
And he’s right to an extent – United have continued to be successful under the Glazer regime. But everyone knows that is down to Ferguson’s skills as manager rather than the investment in the team. By claiming “real fans” are those that appreciate the Glazers, he has caused a storm from loyal supporters, and you have to wonder what on earth he was trying to achieve by saying such things. To suggest that any United fans that are anti-Glazer are not real fans is not only a lie, but insulting and disrespectful to those that were there before Ferguson and the Glazers, and will be there long after them too. It’s also a strange definition of a real fan – supporting the owners whatever they may do, rather than simply supporting your team home and away over a period of decades. Shows what I know.
But at the root of all this is surely a level of guilt on the part of Ferguson. After all, it was his disputes with the previous owners that brought the Glazers to power. It was his greed that led to this situation, his refusal to keep such disputes away from the club he worked for that changed everything, that led to the setting up of FCUM, of anti-Glazer campaigns, of hundreds of millions of pounds being drained out of the club, year-on-year.
Oops.
With the money that has gone to pay off debt, United could have bought Wesley Sneijder. They could have Eden Hazard too. They could have paid their wages, made their agents very wealthy men indeed, and had enough left over to expand the stadium, buy a few more players on top and half season-ticket prices. I’m no master of mind games, so am at a loss to explain what was behind Ferguson’s weekend comments. But apart from attracting ridicule from fans of other teams (not that he would care), by criticising his own once more, he is playing a very dangerous game indeed. Even with his unparalleled track record, there is only so far sentiment will go. Cheap vibes against the noisy neighbours is one thing, but by defending his paymasters so vehemently, Ferguson is in grave danger of tainting his legacy.
This is a guest post by Howard Hockin, part of the award-nominated BlueMoon podcast and author of This Is How It Felt To Be City, now available on Kindle.
you mad? lmao. Man utd is the only big teams that will give youths a chance. Welbeck would never have made it at chelsea or man city. players like cleverley would never start for them cause he isnt the finished product. we lose some points because of that but we wouldnt chance it because there is nothing better then a emerging youth. many havent been good enough and moved on but they were GIVEN A CHANCE, which man city and chelsea wouldnt give them
“many havent been good enough and moved on but they were GIVEN A CHANCE, which man city and chelsea wouldnt give them”
The following players have been given first team chances by City under Mancini:
Dedryck Boyata
Abdisalam Ibrahim
Greg Cunningham
Alex Nimely
Javan Vidal
Ben Mee
John Guidetti
Chris Chantler
Abdul Razak
Ryan McGivern
Reece Wabara
Karim Rekik
Luca Scapuzzi
Denis Suárez
14 players in 2 1/2 years.
Beat me to it
i never seen them play once in the premier league, what you on about
and even if they did its not serious chance though is it.. what? they played 5 mins at the end of the game? yeah great platform to show what they can do
Your ignorance is your problem, not ours.
Boyata, McGivern, Razak, Wabara all made Premier League appearances over the last two years. Chantler, Cunningham, Guidetti, Ibrahim, Nimely, Mee, Vidal, Scapuzzi, Rekik and Suarez have all made Cup appearances.
That’s fourteen young players “given a chance”. Trouble is, you swallow all the rubbish Ferguson comes out with, recycle it through pro-United websites and it becomes “fact”.
Dibils, my fellow city fans have given you lists of youth given a chance to impress in the City first team be it in a Cup game or League game, that was not enough for you to swallow and choke on so Ill go one better.
Michael Johnson is still in the first team and was given a chance, despite an injury that almost ended his career he is still to this very day in the first team.
Shaun Wright Phillips so had his chance and took it, becoming a first team player.
Micah Richards is a first team player.
Nedum Onouha was a first team player and got his chance before he left for another Premier League club.
Dedryk Boyata is our first team reserve defender.
Joe Hart is also a prime example of academy graduate, now no1 Goalkeeper in the first team.
Stephen Ireland, made it into the first team and played for City far more than any of United recent youth before leaving for again another Premier League club.
I could go on and on but will just leave it at that and sign off with, Shut your mouth and wake up because you were clearly not watching Manchester City play any games otherwise you would have noticed that Manchester City have bred far more youth players in recent years than poxy United have.
He hasn’t made it at Utd it would seem, or why are they bidding for RVP? One swallow a summer doesn’t make!
Typical Red, can’t string a sentence together.
For someone who says its impossible to get worked up about what Fergie says, you sure do a good impression of being just that. The usual rambling waffle we’ve come to expect from a ‘new money’ bitter
Yet you are unable to refute anything he says because you know he’s right, but the Unitedland is like a fascist state where if you have ill thoughts about the leader they must be kept in the head and public utterances must be worshipful and no less.
United have not produced one world class academy player in near enough two decades now despite superior wealth and resources to almost everyone else in England over the majority of those years. The generic responce to this will be “Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville!”… which is exactly the point, living off one good generation from 18-21 years ago, with nothing of note produced since. Which academy lads of the last 15 years can you hold up and compare to Messi, Sneijder, Zidane, Ronaldo, Thiago Silva, and so on? None. Overhyped and overrated.
cry cry cry. where was city years ago? mid table? division 1? division 2? i cant remember, no one does. new money team
Once again, unable to refute the points and only able to hurl insults – vintage United fan behaviour. The article is completely right, your manager is a hypocritical old drunk who is slowly going senile.
LOL best thing I have read in ages. What a joker old whisky face is. You have to feel a little sorry for our little rag friendagain let’s gloat at their demise just like the Romans we will only be able to read about them in books. You keep the history we will keep winning cups ha ha
You downtrodden scruffy Bluenose
Think he’s finally gone senile.
And untied fans on a city forum sums it up even better, muppets!
this pops up in the newsnow man uts section, thats why i am here, i didnt even know this was a city forum
Do you have a lot of united forums called view from a blue?
i dont usually look at the website name, just the title of the news that shows up
. What’s going to happen to your soulless football club once Western democratic powers finish off the job in the Middle East and grab all of that lovely Black Gold the Sheiks have gotten fat off? Their investment in City will come to a sudden and abrupt end and you’ll be back in the old third division fielding the likes of Sean Goater and co!
I’d be more worried about what happens when the banks call in the glaziers loans! Tick tock tick tock …….. Lol
Calling us soulless when you took “FC” off your badge years ago, floated on the London Stock Exchange in the 90s, are filing for IPO, constantly kick your local fans in the nuts to cater for all your foreign bandwagon boys, exploit a disaster for financial gain on a yearly basis, and have a stadium now devoid of any sort of atmosphere because too many of your proper fans have been driven away. Christ, some of your most diehard fans became so disillusioned by your club that they formed a breakaway club. Don’t talk to us about soul, you’re nothing but a corporate entity designed to make money now (and that precedes the mighty Glazers) and your ground is like Disneyland with curious tourists and only a tiny percentage of loud, proud, and loyal local fans (who have taken up residence in the pubs and comfy armchairs nowadays).
We’ll probably have to scrape by on the world’s biggest sovereign wealth fund. How will we cope? Or we could be self-sufficient with the Academy development? Or we could borrow so much money we have to earn £50m a year just to pay the interest…. but that would be madness, wouldn’t it?
“Soulless”? Can anyone please enlighten me on how any institution – be it a football club or whatever – could possibly have a “soul”?? “once Western democratic powers finish off the job in the Middle East and grab all of that lovely Black Gold the Sheiks have gotten fat off?” Since when has the West ever looked remotely likely to invade the UAE? Or are you seriously advocating (or merely just hoping for) military intervention against a peaceful (and co-operative) foreign power purely because you don’t support the football team they’ve bought? You really need to get over yourself. Again, not one possible argument in defence of what your beloved leader has said. Perhaps, deep down in the pits of your own “soul”, you realise that he’s completely out of order and Howard is actually correct?
Reckon it will be you before us though
Actually, the owners of City are investing heavily, like the rest of Dubai, into tourism. The oil has pretty much dried up but they are making profits with tourism.
Joe Wilson – you are quite clearly a twat! Fergie is and has for some time been cracking up! A little bit like you by the sounds of it. I read the other day that we are not the team to beer next season, it’s United! Fergie spouting bollocks again. Perhaps he should give up on the mind games as it was quite obvious at the end of last season that the mind games master had been well and truly put in his place by Roberto Mancini! After each and every victory in those last 4/5 weeks of the season Mancini stated we had no chance of winning the title. He new exactly what he was doing and it was with great joy that we watched Fergie in a state of panic. Leading to the greatest clip ever of bacon face and Phil jones after the final whistle of the Sunderland. City winning the league in Fergie time! Get over it Joe you prick! Oh, and stick your history up your arse, it’s our time now!
Love the comments on here from the red muppets, spouting the propaganda passed down from J stand to the disciples.
Tick Tock tick Tock. Time to ring Ocean Finance, or Wonga (they do business loans now). Do Brighthouse do football players on tick?
Sir Alex has acheived so much in his life. So much, it makes people like you bitter and angry at him. But hey, atleast you’ve earned enough to buy yourself some web space. congrats!
I assume the initials gb are for gibbering buffoon!
Or Ginger Bellsniff
Do you have any comment on the above article gB?
It’s called Capitalism mate. Live with it and live with the fact your own club is totally in the pocket of a single stakeholder with no one else to answer to. At least when there are several financial stakeholders present, such as the case with united, the banks work with the owners to make the club a valuable asset, not to diminish it by calling in loans. That would never happen by the way. When several parties have a vested interest in an entity such as Man United there comes with that a large degree of care and responsibility that ensures the club is managed carefully so as to deliver success on and off the pitch. The sole investor in City is the Arabs and like Chelsea you are in the hands of rich powerful owners who don’t have to answer to anybody. Such a situation is not health for the long term and has to be considered a big risk. As for the ground and it’s atmosphere, football grounds have never been the same since the Premier League was formed and all grounds became all seater. Does Eastlands have the atmosphere of Maine Road? Finally, to suggest that man united have become successful off the back of Munich is quite frankly nothing more than a sick, barbed poke at the club and an affront on the memories of those PEOPLE who died. You City fans think you’re quite funny but you’re not and the reason you say such stupid things about Man United all the time is because none of you will ever live long enough to see City equal or surpass Man United’s success.
“Man United all the time is because none of you will ever live long enough to see City equal or surpass Man United’s success.”
I remember the scousers saying the same thing to fans of a certain club 20 years ago! I’m young enough that I plan to be alive in 50 years, a long long time in football, and while you may pray nightly, our beloved owners are going nowhere – and even if they were City will be a self-sustaining juggernaut in the not too distant future. The foundations are being laid out as we speak.
ha ha ha ha… What a load of crap. Seriously, WTF?? Beloved oweners ha ha ha… Financial jaugernaut ha ha ha. Someone slap him. I think ne’s fsllen into a very long sleep and is dreaming.
Oh dear slow joe I think your coming down with a touch of the fergies, rambling on again about uniteds history, I agree the Munich disaster is a tragedy not to be forgotten or mocked for that matter, however you sound a lot more bitter than any city fan who’s posted on here today, here’s a few numbers for you to think about, £60m for winning the prem, £49m from the Ethan deal, £30-40m from champions league qualification, then there’s shirt sales season ticket sales …….. You get the picture were here for a while yet, now back in your cupboard you cheeky little devil.
My apologies joey that should says etihad, whoopsy.
When you owe the bank a couple of million they have you by the balls, when you owe them over 400 million you have them by the balls. That’s right yes?
I welcome this new era of ‘care and responsibility’ by bankers, shame they didn’t have that attitude before the worldwide economic meltdown they brought about. At least this new found social conscience amongst the banking fraternity will stop them asset stripping your club when the last bit of profit has been squeezed out.
‘It’s called Capitalism mate. Live with it and live with the fact your own club is totally in the pocket of a single stakeholder with no one else to answer to.’
Who exactly do the Glazers answer to then?
Yes, yoonited would NEVER try to cash in on the Munich disaster would they? Yoonited fans themselves would never get so hacked off at the corporate hijacking of the disaster commemorations that they’d attempt to remove the sponsor’s logos from the poster themselves would they?
Yet another armchair mupp[et who believes the propaganda.
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Oi! Wind your neck in about Munich. I’m sick of hearing your mock outrage. It is perfectly ok for your fans to sing about Hillsbrough, or about Russian submarines or now about the death of Malcolm Glazer but any mention of Munich is met with crocodile tears, thumping of the table and cries of ‘it was like me mam and dad dying’. (yes I’ve heard THAT said). The truth is that manu have traded off the back of Munich for 50-odd years, made a lot of money. Just a ‘for instance’ – lLook at the placement of the big poster on the 50th anniversary, right above the entrance to the club shop! And the picture bore sponsor’s logos. Nobody gave a shiny shyt about your club until Munich happened. Many of us still don’t.
Oh, the irony. Bitter.
you lot sorted out your rat infestation yet ?
I sense an over infatuation from you City lot with United’s debt and loans. In the same way you dream about dominating English football, on the scale we have I mean, you also dream and hope that Man u will end up penniless. Its not going to happen is it lads? Get real now, for once in you blue bitter lives get real.
Here he is again posting on city forums instead of united forums, infatuating joseph, come on guys lets get real lmfao hahahahahahahahahahaha
Good grammar, triple x . Defo a blue
Well, so long as Fergie’s mind-games aren’t affecting you! Hahaha – you’re melting down already.
just like we melted down when it was all over and done with and trafford were eight points clear with 4 (or was it 5) games to go. yep, major meltdown, no team spirit, don’t know how to wimn, blahhh.
My inside sources tell me United have a new local lad to come out of the academy next season. His name is Lucas. Any mention that he’ll cost £30million will be met by a shot to the head by the Rag Reich’s Secret Service.
the trouble with you rags is that you dont face facts every fan in the country knows that you and sky tv are one entity they promote the rags so much now they dont even disguise the facts so what ever is said by baconface or wewo ferdinand is highlighted by sky and its rag loving newspapers trouble is you rags fall for it like this player from crewe who nobodys heard of will be named in the next england squad its called being BRAINWASHED dont believe thought not LEVERSON ENQUIRY enough said rag muppets
We have got a top academy. Weve brought thru Rooney, Jones, De Gea, Nani, Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Carrick, Evra etc to name a few! Who have you brought throu?
LOFL! superb
it’s amazing that old bacon-face can moan about the lack of value in the transfer market and inflated fees.
i mean, Rio was transferred for > £30M 10 years ago (i wonder how much went to Zhavi?!?). Seba (an absolute flop) Veron cost Utd > £28M in 2001. Then he paid £31M for Berbaflop (who incidentally is hardly a prolific striker is he??) and more recently £8M for a kid found on the streets!
looks like sour grapes Taggart – keep up the mind games, as we need a laugh
Loving it my fellow blues, these rags don’t like it up them and certainly don’t like being told how it is.
If they are so happy with the current debt levels and the Glazer’s plan to shift it, what is their response to this? The Glazers themselves, in documentation included with the IPO for the NY stock floatation stated ‘Our indebtedness could adversely affect our financial health and competitive position,’ it said. ‘As of March 31, 2012, we have had total indebtedness of £423.3million.’
The IPO’s they tried in both Hong Kong and Singapore never got off the ground and the NY one is already looking like it might go the same way.
As the Guardian clearly states ‘The United shares will be split into two classes, A and B; the A shares will be offered for sale to investors on the New York Stock Exchange while the Glazer family will retain ownership of the B shares, which carry 10 times the voting rights of the A shares.
Not only will investors have diluted voting rights but there is no intention even to pay them a regular dividend, so the investment would be to realise some future gain via the Cayman Islands if they sell the shares.’
Added to that, the fact that potential investors are being asked to take an IPO serious, that includes the financial records from the year before. This allows them
to not show the massive hole in the coffers, or to reflect their lack of success in all competitions.
Added to the fact they magicily invented the people below.
‘Manchester United, the record 19-time English soccer champion, said it now has 659 million fans.
The figures are based on a study carried out on the club’s behalf by Kantar Media. Some 54,000 people were interviewed in 39 countries.’
So if you speak to 54,000 people, that equates to 659m fans, really? Well, with number crunching like that…
All in a desperate attempt to make the team and the IPO a more enticing proposal, any reds care to comment?
Stinks to high heaven IMO and I can’t wait to see what plan B might be.
It really makes me laugh when all the rags ramble on about ‘when the arabs get bored’ or ‘when the oil runs out’. Their whole approach to business is to creat long lasting empires and use their huge oil wealth to invest in other industries to sustain their wealth as they know at some point the oil will run out. If you rags read anything other than the newsnow Man U page you would know that our Sheikh invested huge amounts in Barclays shares when they were rock bottom, effectively saving one of the largest banks in our country, he then sold those shares a year or so later for a profit of about 2 billion, doesn’t sound like we need to worry about the oil running out does it? And if they do get bored (which they won’t, as we’re the jewel in their business empire’s crown, which forms part of a huge rivalry with Dubai) don’t you think that they might just sell us to someone equally as rich, or do you just think they’d just write of the billion plus they’ve spent on us and just let us go for free? Bit of a rant I know, but this lot are just fucking idiots. Alson giving the youth a chance? Look at Pogba, Morrisson even Ben Foster who jogged on because they were getting nowhere near the team
typical… City fans have always watched what happens at united. LOOK AT THE FOOL THAT HANGS ON FERGIES EVERY WORD AND THINKS HE IS REFERING TO CITY!!!!! why??? What would possibly give u a reason to think he gives a toss about city??? News shock twat.. He never has snd never will. You seem to think that united were beaten by city ladt season. News flash… SAME POINTS!!!!!! Uniteds season was seen as a bad season with substandard players yet City, with all the money spent could not even surpass them the just levelled with a substandard united team. something to be proud of? You have 1 season and now think city are the best team that Fergie would spend time talking about? STOP DREAMING!!!!
And breathe…
‘News shock twat?’ I’ve no idea which part of the World that passes as English for.
‘You seem to think that united were beaten by city ladt season. News flash… SAME POINTS!!!!!!’
So both our names were etched on the trophy then, is that correct?
lol… You lecture on English? Dude have a look at your own country and trlk me you actually know how speak your own language. Everytime i hear someone speak from the UK it makes me laugh. I mean… Liverpool??? Birmingham?? Newcastle.. East london bruv innit. TWAT
Do you come with subtitles?
and… You did level on points with a substandard united team. FACT REGARDLESS OF WHOS NAME IS ON THE TROPHY!!!
NEWS FLASH: Fergie is ALWAYS talking about City, ‘noisy neighbous’ this, ‘inflated transfers fees’ that.. NEWS FLASH: we might have finished on the same points, however the fact that we finished top and got the trophy and you finished 2nd and didn’t get a trophy would suggest that we are correct in thinking we beat United this season. Oh and the games where we BEAT you 6-1 and 1-0 would also add to that point.
Damo, the way you talk to your Champions is disgraceful yer red mong. If you’re going to come back then be more respectful to your champions…Or better still fuck off and stay fucking off.
Bow down to your Champions son, show the respect that’s due.
On a side note, I see you’ve chosen to ignore and not respond to my comments regarding your debt and the IPO? On second thoughts don’t bother, it’d probably take me a week to decipher your ramblings.
6-1
Now fuck off back under your stone you cretin.
arf!
some fat bastard in a office in tampa says im bored I know ill see how many people i can count going past the window in the next two hours then ill times it by 6 trillion two mars bars and a cup off bovril there that should do it 659 million and sky will confirm that meanwhile back at the swamp 20000 season tickets up for grabs lets target bolton and blackburn fans they got religated what a joke you rags are
You can keep your Silva, Aguero, Yaya and Kompany! Weve got Phil ‘the mighty’ Jones! Quality player that would walk into any team in the world. And yep! He came throu our Youth Academy along with Bebe. We will walk the league next season.
brilliant!!!
listen bittohz, United have always done things the right way, we have bought players with money earned, not from winning the lottery, it’s like I tell all the berties in the red lion, United have class, City do not
Money earned? Not always but that is another part of your carefully doctored history that you rags always conveniently forget. Louis Edwards the scourge of school canteens…
yes, money earned from years of success on the football pitch has made it possible for United to buy in some outstanding talent to compliment the good young lads that The Wizard finds kicking a ball on the back streets of Salford!
Does he find them in Stretford too? Please say that he does. My son does keepy-uppies with a tin can in the back streets of Stretford. It would be a dream for him to get discovered!
Withinplank red where was the success that paid for the £18m 1989 squad then? The F.A cup? LOL. Liverpool’s championship squad of that year was £6m , city’s £2m. So to the untrained eye it actually looks like Utd spent 3 times what there closest rivals did, that can’t be right as utd only ever raise players from embryos! Now please choose to ignore this as that’s what ya gonna do!!
What I love about Kaldooon and Mancini is that they both say Man Utd set the standard and we are still learning. we never bad mouth fergie or Man Utd. Utd players and Fergie are always trying to do the complete opposite and time after time they shoot themselves in the foot. Keep it going…
Totally agree. The prawn sandwiches alone justified Rooneys pay rise. We look down at other clubs and pity them coz were smug as fuck. Our debt was as big as City’s lay out but we earnt that debt through our quality management and shrewd business sense. We are the best run club in the world and I thank all them gardners who turned up at Rooneys house at midnight in balaclavas to prune his roses and sing a vigil to plead for him to stay. We would be fucked without him and Phil Jones, plus Bebe’s back to lead the line. The future doesnt look that bleak anymore. ALEX FERGUSON’S RED AND WHITE, GREEN AND GOLD ARMY !
I couldnt work for a company where the owners put their hands in their pockets and support the local community. I would rather work for a company where the boss pretends everything is ok and says “you didnt see me walk out with that bag of cash, heres a tenner”. City’s owners are bleeding that club dry. It will all end in tears.
I cant wait till my new Natasha Giggs poster arrives. Im gonna put it above my single bed next to my Ryan Giggs poster! MUFC Family! A club with MORALS!
Dibils – The reason the likes of Wellbeck and Cleverly and other young plagers have been given a chance is cause UTD cant afford to spend big like they used to
In response to United have class ,City don’t as stated by Withington Red,What is class ?
is class playing mind games and gloating about history
is class being gracious in defeat ?
is class sticking by there team through thick and thin no matter what ?
is class shown by fleeing the swamp after city score 6 goals against them (that stampede was dangerous and was lucky no one got hurt )
is class shown by smashing windows ,attacking old people in gangs when they lose to city ?
the above are the type of class you rags show so ,you can keep them
tick tock
The boot’s on the other foot. I remember listening to 606 when we were in the premiership under Royle, there was “city fan” complaining about how Royle had to go because of his massive potato head, going on and on and on about how massive city are and how massive Royle’s potato head was… and I realised very, very quickly that this was a rag on a wind-up. It surprised me that neither Alan Green nor indeed his producer, realised that this was a wind-up given the lack of subtlety. It also amused me that the fan of a team who were at the time dominating their domestic league and amongst the top teams in Europe, with far more to worry about than citeh, would be on 606 making a fool of themselves.
Times have changed. The leveraged buyout of MUFC PLC looks increasingly like bad business given the rising cost of credit globally. Their business model relies on them being industry leaders without necessarily providing the investment needed for them to stay at the front now that cheap credit is a thing of the past. We are on the other hand funded by a company looking to invest oil money to generate profit and business after the oil runs out – or at least to maintain the value of their investment. They aren’t interested in liquidating their asset because it hasn’t matured and isn’t worth what it will be worth. Also their ownership of the club is something of a trophy asset – for serious money they look elsewhere, this is a PR exercise and will always remain so. So asset stripping, or pumping and dumping, or liquidating the asset, doesn’t make business sense in terms of ADUG’s overall strategy.
All of which is very well but what amuses me is the response here. The united fans who have spent decades giving out but can’t take it when the tables are turned. The city fans pretending to be united fans. The united fans pretending they don’t care that their club is being slowly bled to death (I’m loving it, a slow, painful, imperceptible decline, it’s so beautiful it’s almost poetic). Europe’s biggest footballing academy is being built on your doorstep and you are still reveling in past glories. I remember when the memory of the 5-1 was the beacon of hope on foggy league 1 nights. When the glory of ’68 was a distant memory as we floundered in lower divisions, while out illustrious neighours lauded it over us and crowed and laughed. You have all of this yet to come – enjoy – it’s character building.
response to uptoeleven just to conclude RAGS NO TROPHIES EQUALS NO PRIZE MONEY EQUALS RAGS OUT OF BUSINESS come on city keep it going only 1 more year before the swamp sinks
I am an arsenal fan, and i gotta say, who cares ? Arsenal have given more chances to youth than anyone in the premier league and thats not debatable, right? yet we havnt won a thing and thats what really matters.
City fans say that United doesn’t give youngsters chances, hmmm… I just want to point out their champions league exit where Tevez refused to play and they blamed Tevez for their loss, what were the other plays doing, sniffing buts. Then, CIty only won by only how many points, City fans point that out to me… They beat United twice in the league and still couldn’t win the league with a point difference, scoring goals made you win, not winning games… That means you didn’t win games… so just suck it… Ferguson is one of the best Managers, Mancini isn’t even worth kissing his feet, leave shaking hands at a match…
Credit to you for posting the most incomprehensible reply
As a City fan, I must say there is no doubt he has achieved great things with United and United was an undisputed force at some point of time. At this moment, nobody should take his words seriously. Cut him some slack, as the old age is catching up with him and the obvious signs of getting senile is clearly there. He seem to make a fool out of himself more often than not. I bet you all remember his famous quote “Not in my lifetime” when asked if United would be under-dogs to City. Nowadays, most of his comments carry as much weight as his famous quote. United is a declining team with a huge debt and a senile manager whose days are numbered both as a coach and a man. Let them go down in peace!
I am a die hard United fan but I have to say a lot of the points made make sense. If Fergie hadn’t fallen out with McManus and Magnier they probably never would have sold the club to the Glazers. McMans and Magnier were real United fans whereas the Glazers were in it to make a quick buck and now have United in huge death that could seriously harm them in a few years. The author of the piece is 100% correct that United could have gotten Hazard and most other players if they weren’t paying off the debt. And the last major player to make it out of the United youth set up was John O’Shea. I know most will disagree with me but he was a fantastic servant to United even though he got dicked around by being put in every position there is to play. But the lads coming through just aren’t good enough such as Welbeck who is OK but is not going to be a great. As for the atmosphere at Old Trafford, it’s a disgrace!! The largest stadium in the league yet the fans are some of the quietest, it doesn’t make sense. At least the City fans show unity when they score with the Poznan, which I did over in Poland with the thousands of Ireland fans. It is an amazing celebration that gets the whole crowd together as one.
Ringers you flamin turncoat! Do one! City fans who talk about business and global economics? That is great material for some sort of comic satire which would have the nation in stitches if it were ever aired. Eeeeaaarrr, we’ve got an oil sheik win a Barclays account so we’ll defo win the league innit?
implying that manU fans are some sort of authority on business & global economics? makes me think back to the heady days when a ‘respected’ red I know said ‘most match going fans didn’t know what a PLC was’ whilst bemoaning the current turn of events.
we’d have a bit more respect for you lot if you had the courage to speak out against the outright horseshit you lap-up like the soppy dogs you are.
How am I a turncoat??? Where in my piece did I show I’m a turncoat
the trouble with the rags is there complete arrogance and endless drivel about all that is blue we city fans have been through hell but still kept our spirit and sence of humour the real utd fans [mancs] to which i know a few are dessent enough to admit there in shit street and the media possitivitiy surrounding baconfaces every word [drivel] is quite frankly now becoming embarrising it would be so much better if uniteds management and fans just said WELL DONE CITY CHAMPIONS OF ENGLAND
Ringers you never come on to a blue forum and agree with them. You just don’t. You strike me as a weak and unprincipled chap, devoid of any loyalty and respect. Sort yourself out or you will find fishes wrapped in newspaper on your doorstep.
No loyalty?? How dare you. Look if you wanna be some of the thousand yes men that follow without question be my guest but I’m not. If something goes wrong in the club I’ll say it. Go join the prawn sandwich brigade.
In the news today : city Arabs not satisfied with City and will shelve plans to build new training complex. Very ominous
not one utd response directly to the original post!I cannot think why?
It’s only a matter of time MUPLC fans. Dont forget you dropped the words ‘football club’ so dont call yourselves MUFC and do not insult Newcastle, Peterborough, Leeds et al by calling yourselves’united’ because by definition of the word you certainly are not.
You all know it’s just a matter of time. Not even slur Alex can prevent evolution or stop the big blue juggernaut. He knows it,you lot know it.
As a previous poster said, your near future will be character building.
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